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Fear Itself

Peter Adrastos Athas

Athenae and I rarely post about the same thing on the same day. It's that time again. The whole Bowe Bergdahl incident seems to be the apogee of Obama Derangement Syndrome. The GOP reaction is OTT, incoherent, and sadly predictable. Once again, they're confused as to whether the President is a power mad dictator or a weakling. You really can't have it both ways but making sense has never been high on the neo-cons agenda. Fear mongering is and I wish the stupid mongerfuckers would monger something else… Here's the deal. It's apparently strong and resolute when Ronald Reagan and … Continue reading Fear Itself

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Hagel Nagila

Peter Adrastos Athas

Nagila means rejoice in Hebrew but the neo-cons and Vulcans are not rejoicing over Chuck Hagel’s being nominated as Secretary of Defense. They dislike the former Nebraska Senator because he dislikes war and isn’t a slavish worshipper of Bibi Netanyahu and his war-mongering right wing Israeli government. As far as I’m concerned those are excellent reasons to support the Hagel nomination: if Kristol and Bolton hate it, I like it. On a more serious note, I like the nomination because the former enlisted man appears ready to go to the Pentagon and start cutting the budget, which is imperative after … Continue reading Hagel Nagila

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All War is a Crime

Allison Hantschel

Jude commented on this post: The government and the rebels have been indiscriminately bombing and shelling cities; conventional explosives are WAY more deadly than air-dispersed chemical agents. Yet we still have this 1916-era mentality about how poison gas is somehow just so ungentlemanly that it deserves a special level of outrage. That’s bullshit. Artillery barrages and bombs do terrible, terrible things to human bodies. When you’re suffering and/or dying, you don’t give a shit whether hot steel, concussion trauma, napalm burns, or poison gas did the trick. Which is really what my issue with any bombing is about. It’s not … Continue reading All War is a Crime

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Hagel Nagila

Nagila means rejoice in Hebrew but the neo-cons and Vulcans are not rejoicing over Chuck Hagel’s being nominated as Secretary of Defense. They dislike the former Nebraska Senator because he dislikes war and isn’t a slavish worshipper of Bibi Netanyahu and his war-mongering right wing Israeli government. As far as I’m concerned those are excellent reasons to support the Hagel nomination: if Kristol and Bolton hate it, I like it. On a more serious note, I like the nomination because the former enlisted man appears ready to go to the Pentagon and start cutting the budget, which is imperative after … Continue reading Hagel Nagila

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It’s Always Time to Talk About Shit That Doesn’t Matter

Allison Hantschel

I keep going back to this, from the brilliant Cleolinda: (Here’s my thought on that in a nutshell: Violent movies and videogames do not make people violent. Violent people are attracted to violent media. Of course, so are many of the rest of us, just for different reasons. I ended up watching The Matrix about 46,000 times–at one point on a three-day loop–for the book, and I shot nobody. If you want to talk about warning signs, don’t look at the kid’s taste in movies or his literary output–look at those two things in the context of his real-life behavior, … Continue reading It’s Always Time to Talk About Shit That Doesn’t Matter

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It’s Always Time to Talk About Shit That Doesn’t Matter

I keep going back to this, from the brilliant Cleolinda: (Here’s my thought on that in a nutshell: Violent movies and videogames do not make people violent. Violentpeople are attracted to violent media. Of course, so are many of the rest of us, just for different reasons. I ended up watchingThe Matrix about 46,000 times–at one point on a three-day loop–for the book, and I shotnobody. If you want to talk about warning signs, don’t look at the kid’s taste in movies or his literary output–look at those two thingsin the context of his real-life behavior, which was already disturbing … Continue reading It’s Always Time to Talk About Shit That Doesn’t Matter

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In Which Conrad Black Calls Rupert Murdoch a Psychopath, or, the Skank Calls the Whore a Slut

Allison Hantschel

Conrad comes slithering out of his hole to opine that this Rupert Murdoch chap is a bit of a douche: When the extent of his skullduggery finally oozed out, sluggish and filthy, including the details of the British government’s dotage on him, this summer, Murdoch’s old possum routine didn’t play as convincingly as it had in its many previous auditions, when he purported to be contrite over the shortcomings of errant employees. Bumbling into a parliamentary hearing in London, supported on each arm like a centenarian semi-cadaver, mumbling about humility, trying to represent News Corporation’s board as independent when it … Continue reading In Which Conrad Black Calls Rupert Murdoch a Psychopath, or, the Skank Calls the Whore a Slut

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In Which Conrad Black Calls Rupert Murdoch a Psychopath, or, the Skank Calls the Whore a Slut

Conrad comes slithering out of his hole to opine that thisRupert Murdoch chap is a bit of a douche: When the extent of his skullduggery finally oozed out, sluggish and filthy, including the details of the British government’s dotage on him, this summer, Murdoch’s old possum routine didn’t play as convincingly as it had in its many previous auditions, when he purported to be contrite over the shortcomings of errant employees. Bumbling into a parliamentary hearing in London, supported on each arm like a centenarian semi-cadaver, mumbling about humility, trying to represent News Corporation’s board as independent when it is … Continue reading In Which Conrad Black Calls Rupert Murdoch a Psychopath, or, the Skank Calls the Whore a Slut

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Shorter John Kerry: Who You Callin’ A Bitch?

U-N-I-T-Y: Ask Osama bin Laden is he is better off now than he was four years ago. [snip] You know it isn’t — it isn’t fair. It isn’t fair to say that Mitt Romney doesn’t have a position on Afghanistan. He has every position. (APPLAUSE) He — he was against — he was against setting a date for withdrawal. Then he said it was right. And then he left the impression that maybe it was wrong to leave this soon. He said it was tragic to leave Iraq. And then he said it was fine. He said we should have … Continue reading Shorter John Kerry: Who You Callin’ A Bitch?

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Shorter John Kerry: Who You Callin’ A Bitch?

Allison Hantschel

U-N-I-T-Y: Ask Osama bin Laden is he is better off now than he was four years ago. [snip] You know it isn’t — it isn’t fair. It isn’t fair to say that Mitt Romney doesn’t have a position on Afghanistan. He has every position. (APPLAUSE) He — he was against — he was against setting a date for withdrawal. Then he said it was right. And then he left the impression that maybe it was wrong to leave this soon. He said it was tragic to leave Iraq. And then he said it was fine. He said we should have … Continue reading Shorter John Kerry: Who You Callin’ A Bitch?

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Today on Tommy T’s Obsession with the Freeperati – Newt Gingrich Death Watch edition

Well, folks – other than the never-ending Freepathon, Jim (I’m all in for Newt Gingrich) Rob has been MIA for weeks now.

Maybe he’s too depressed after this:

Live Thread: GOP Primary election results (WI, MD, DC)
April 3, 2012

Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 7:24:56 PM bynewzjunkey

Fox News &CNN are projecting Romney wins MD in their banners.

Santorum wasn’t on the DC ballot.

Wisconsin polls close at 8pm CDT/9pm EDT.

1 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 7:25:04 PM bynewzjunkey
Kibitzer, be a pal and grab some more popcorn please? Southern Beale – more wine? We’ll just watch this one from outside the iso chamber, I think.

To: FlingWingFlyer

Why do we give them 19 delegates? I mean, I can understand throwing them a bone and giving them 6, but 19 is just plain ridiculous when the GOP candidate can’t break 20% in anawesome year.

“You keep using that word…”

They make Hawaii look competitive.

9 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 7:46:14 PM byRecoveringPaulisto

“Recovering Paulisto”? If he recovered from being a Ron Paul supporter and is now for Newtie, he may wish he had stood on principle.
Or on a stepladder.

To: newzjunkey

The republican party is half past dead and if we don’t get a blood transfusion ASAP, it’s over. romney will never beat oscumma in a million years. This is sickening.

10 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 7:47:09 PM byMestaMachine (obama kills)

Flatline

To: newzjunkey
I live in the People’s Republic of Maryland. Hit the polling place after work at about 1830 –the place was like a tomb.

Considering the average age of the GOP electorate, what did you expect? Mardi Gras?

I cast my vote, and I don’t mind telling you that I voted for the Newtster.

And I don’t mind telling yo uthat you threw your vote away. And you dimrods don’t have a lot of them to spare.

When it came to the Senatorial candidates I didn’t even recognize any of the names except two – one a nutcase named John Kimble – I voted against him and for Mr. Douglas. I understand Romney has projected winner in the presidential contest.

As I have said before on this forum, I will not vote for that RINO sonofabitch in the general election!

13 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 7:49:17 PM byConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 – St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
To: MestaMachine
We are doomed.
You were doomed the moment you embraced The Southern Strategy as a political tool. It’s just taking longer for you to die off than I had originally thought. But you’re getting there.
Witness the death of the grand old party and the birth of a new moderate to liberal republican party vs a left-wing radical democrat party.
America will never rebound in my lifetime and this is the legacy we are leaving our children and grandchildren. Memories of a once great nation being brought to it’s knees.I don’t know which feeling is stronger…sadness or anger.
18 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 7:56:31 PM bykatiedidit1 (“This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever.” the Irish)

How about stupid? Does stupid work for you?

To: MestaMachine
The republican party is half past dead and if we don’t get a blood transfusion ASAP, it’s over. romney will never beat oscumma in a million years. This is sickening.

By virtue of these Romney wins (and probable eventual Republican nomination), the GOP is giving Obama his second term on a silver platter. Everyone I talk to sees it the same way. Romney is NOT anyone’s first choice and people are disillusioned with the apparent John McCaining of conservatives for the second time in a row. This is republican party suicide and everyone can see it except the elites who are forcing this candidate down our throats.

You’d rather have Santorum shoved down your throats? Yuck.

May God help America out of this potential disaster.

21 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:01:46 PM byMamaDearest
To: PSYCHO-FREEP
It appears like the electorate is starting to take a stand and make a solid choice to defeat Obama. They almost unanimously said that it is now more important to get behind a candidate soon, and to not delay or hinder the nomination.

Why do I get the feeling that’s what you wanted all along. So what’s your real name, Rove?

25 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:04:46 PM byKenny
Shirley.
To: Kenny

I don’t give a damn what you think. The problem with your side is, you were warned that supporting Santorum would guarantee a Romney win. Well, guess what…? We all lose.

32 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:10:14 PM byPSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it…)
I see that the Newticles and Saint-orums are still busily pointing fingers at each other over Romney’s tawdry inevitibility,
Good. Gives them something to do during the General besides vote.

To: MamaDearest

It’s high time for a third party, but the GOP talking heads in the news media will do their darndest to keep party-line Republicans in line with their usual talking points and scare tactics.

“Let’s change the GOP from within!”

Riiight. It’s not like the establishment holds the reins of power or anything.

And 17% (at best) of the electorate will magically unelect/unseat all of them and march proudly on to victory!

I love this place.

“But a third party will never win!”

Romney will never win, either, but we’re supposed to vote for him.

“But a third party will split the vote!”

Good! It’s time for the Republicans to go the way of the Whigs.

And time for “conservatives” to go the way of the Know-nothings.

What did caving to the establishment get us in ‘08?

Pandering to the screwball right via putting a simpleton up for Veep who had to be advised of the difference between WWI and WWII is now “caving to the establishment”?? Fancy that.

What did it get us in ‘12? Will 2016 be any different?

35 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:11:06 PM byCato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Then it is time for Romney to get out of the race. He can’t win.

38 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:13:14 PM bymuawiyah
JawDrop

To: parksstp
SANTORUM ON LIVE ON FOX RIGHT NOW, GIVING ONE OF THE BEST SPEECHES,

I’m kinda partial to this one:
SantorumConcession

(STILL FIGHTING ON) HITTING ALL THE POINTS THAT ENCOMPASS THE CENTER OF FREE REPUBLIC AND ITS OWN PRINCIPLES. 9:25 p.m. Eastern Time

CapsLock4

He called Obama a “dictator”, and he just now referred to Romney as an “etch a sketch”.

56 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:26:58 PM byAmericanInTokyo (Our Fearless Leader, Jim, Should “Release” Freepers to Support Santorum as Final “Anti-Romney” ASAP)
To: AmericanInTokyo

The greatest Santorum line was hitting Romney. He has got the crowd fired up. His bashing Obama and Romney ismost excellent.

WayneAndGarth

He is also revisiting Republican Party history, its failure to win elections by nominating MODERATES—as controlled by the Leadership vanquishing the conservative grassroots. Great speech! Packed House.

62 posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:30:13 PM byAmericanInTokyo (Our Fearless Leader, Jim, Should “Release” Freepers to Support Santorum as Final “Anti-Romney” ASAP)
When you have everyone who voted for you in that state in one room, of course it’s gonna look crowded.
But it’snot a Packed House.
Thisis a Packed House:
ObamaSpeech
.
Just sayin.
Much more, including new additions to the RINO ranks after the fork in the road…

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In Defense of Dana Loesch

She happens to be right, after all: After playing a news clip describing the video, Loesch said, “I’d drop trou and do it too. That’s me, though. I want a million cool points for these guys.” She wondered why there was any kind of scandal surrounding the incident. “C’mon people, this is a war,” she said. “Do I have a problem with that as a citizen of the United States? No, I don’t.” Not about the “million cool points” the people who desecrate corpses deserve, or about how she would do it, too (anybody predicting how he or she would … Continue reading In Defense of Dana Loesch

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Malaka Of The Week: Bryan Fischer

Peter Adrastos Athas

I didn’t write a malaka of the week post last week but the malakatude kept rolling. This week’s winner is some hairbag I’d never heard of before but Bryan Fischer is a class-A malaka and worthy of this “honor.” This douchebag is the “issues” director of the American Family Association and he’s also a guy who puts the ass in association. While the rest of America celebrated theheroism and humility of Medal of Honor winner Sgt. Salvatore Giunta, Mr. Fischer slammed the selection in apost at his AFA blog: We have feminized the Medal of Honor. According to Bill McGurn … Continue reading Malaka Of The Week: Bryan Fischer

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Only Talking Sense

Peter Adrastos Athas

Holy crap, someone in Washington is talking sense about Afghanistan albeit off the record and to the British press: The White House is revising itsAfghanistan strategy to embrace the idea of negotiating with senior members of theTaliban through third parties – a policy to which it had previously been lukewarm. Negotiating with the Taliban has long been advocated by Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, and the British and Pakistani governments, but resisted by Washington. The Guardian has learned that while the American government is still officially resistant to the idea of talks with Taliban leaders, behind the scenes a shift … Continue reading Only Talking Sense

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McChrystal Cracked

Peter Adrastos Athas

I’d come around to the McChrystal must go viewpoint so I’m gladit happened so quickly.Not only does he deserve to be shitcanned for mouthing off but his favorite beer is Bud Lite Lime. Holy girl drink, Batman. On a serious note, I thought it was politically ingenious to slide Petraeus into the command slot. The wingers have expressed such unconditional love for him that it will be *harder* for them to gin up outrage over this. Continue reading McChrystal Cracked

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McChrystal Blue Persuasion

Peter Adrastos Athas

General Stanley McChrystal and his staff have big mouths. They didn’t tell a reporter that stuff was off the record when they were in bars and eateries.Another fine story from Rolling Stone this time around by freelancer Michael Hastings. I’m too lazy to dig for the bullet points on my own so I’ll let the Gray Lady do the talking: A McChrystal aide is quoted saying of Mr. Holbrooke: “The Boss says he’s like a wounded animal. Holbrooke keeps hearing rumors that he’s going to be fired, so that makes him dangerous.” On another occasion, General McChrystal is described as … Continue reading McChrystal Blue Persuasion

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Happy Democrat photo: Once more, with context

VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: Well, I– I– I would hope I– look, it’s one thing to be outspoken. It’s another thing to be outspoken in a way that misrepresents the facts. And I– I guess– again, I– it’s almost like Dick is trying to rewrite history. I can understand where the– why that would be– you know, an impulse. And maybe he isn’t– literally, I’m not being facetious.Maybe he’s not fully informed of what’s going on. Imean, the progress we have made. There has never been as much emphasis and resources brought against Al Qaeda.The success rate exceeds anything that … Continue reading Happy Democrat photo: Once more, with context

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Life During Wartime

Married and shipping out: Two 19-year-olds are the first couple to be married in a civil ceremony in Cook County in 2010. Janette Diaz of Schererville, Ind., and Jeremy Rodriguez ofChicago said their vows at 9:30 a.m. with County Clerk David Orr presiding. Rodriguez, a U.S. Marine who has already served one tour of duty in Iraq and will be doing a tour in Afghanistan in 2011, leaves Monday for Camp Lejeune in North Carolina. The couple arrived for their marriage at 6 a.m., well before the office opened at 9 a.m. A. Continue reading Life During Wartime

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Ambivalent

Peter Adrastos Athas

Obama’s speech hasn’t sent me racing to the barricades to either oppose or support his policy. The best thing about the speech was its tone: somber and sober. Nobody does the two S’s as well as the President. The worst thing about the speech was the troop increase: I doubt that it will work. Foreign powers have been trying to secure the rural areas of Afghanistan for centuries and there are always rebels in the mountains shooting at them. It’s a combination of geography and culture: Afghanistan remains a largely illiterate country dominated by tribes and war lords. This is … Continue reading Ambivalent

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Say What?

Peter Adrastos Athas

In a sign of how far right the GOP has moved, legendary fantasist, liar and douchebag, Oliver North is advisingHouse Goopers on Afghanistan. I wonder if he’ll suggest sending bibles to Karzai’s brother instead of CIA lucre. I’ve *never* understood, the Ollie North cult amongst the wingnuts; especially because the Reagans *both* repudiated everything he claimed about his relationship with Ronnie. I guess the Reagan cult is like everything else on the far right: they pick what they like and disregard the rest. Sheesh… Continue reading Say What?

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‘I Urge Everyone Not to Judge’

This inspired me to gowandering around the wingersphere looking forwhat was being said about the captured soldier’s statements on video. Until the truth comes out, I urge everyone not to judge anything this Soldier says as anything other than coerced and/or under duress. There comes a point where you will verbally give away your first born child if it means extending your life by one more day in order to buy some time for those looking for you. Most troops will not be held accountable for the things they say or do in captivity. Naturally, those that faulted McCain for … Continue reading ‘I Urge Everyone Not to Judge’

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Stars & Stripes: New enemy in Afghanistan

On MondayWaPo reported Bush is facing pressure from the US military to shift focus from Iraq to Afghanistan including increasing force levels in the latter. InterestinglyStars and Stripes reports today that US and Afghan forces are clashing with a new enemy in Afghanistan… ZABUL PROVINCE, Afghanistan — Foreign fighters with military uniforms are attacking U.S. and Afghan government forces in Zabul province using conventional infantry tactics, soldiers report. Intelligence suggests the foreign fighters are from Uzbekistan and the rebellious Russian territory of Chechnya, in central Asia, he said. “The foreign fighters tend to be better trained and financed than the … Continue reading Stars & Stripes: New enemy in Afghanistan

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DoD pulls mention of friendly fire from posting on soldier’s death

Stars and Stripes reports that DoD posted a press release to their website which stated an investigation was under way into the possibility that a soldier killed recently in Afghanistan may have died as a result of friendly fire but later in the day DoD removed the posting only to repost it without mention of friendly fire. According to a DOD release, Kahler, 29, was killed by small-arms fire in the village of Waygul. The Army is investigating the incident, which it says might have been the result of friendly fire. An Afghan guard reportedly fired the fatal shots. That … Continue reading DoD pulls mention of friendly fire from posting on soldier’s death

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Poll: Fading support for War in Afghanistan

From ABCNews: The latestABC News/Washington Post poll found that a startling 45 percent of Americans said they do not think the war in Afghanistan is worth fighting, despite the 9/11 terrorist attacks, which provoked the war in the first place. SNIP Fifty-one percent of Americans now say that the U.S. military effort in Afghanistan has been unsuccessful, up from 24 percent in fall 2002. Only 44 percent of Americans consider the war in Afghanistan a success, down from 70 percent in 2002. Continue reading Poll: Fading support for War in Afghanistan

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Attacks in Afghanistan up 40%

CNNreported today that “the number of foreign forces in Afghanistan killed in June has reached 39, the highest monthly toll of the war.” In a Wednesday articleStars and Stripes reported that tactics used by insurgents in Afghanistan are becoming more complex and it included this: Compared to the same time period in 2007, there has been a 40 percent increase in attacks against coalition personnel in Afghanistan since he took his post in early April, Schloesser said. [Army Maj. Gen. Jeffrey J. Schloesser, commander of Combined Joint Task Force-101] Insurgents attacking coalition forces have increased their use of direct-fire attacks, … Continue reading Attacks in Afghanistan up 40%

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Brethren, Again We Gather to Worship the Free Market. Join the Chant: “Business Is More Efficient than Government…”

We sacrifice this one to appease Freede-Munn, the god of deregulation. Today, we have yet more evidence that the government under Bush has been converted into a giant patronage machine to reward incompetent businesspeople. Turns out that we care so much about our Afghan allies in the war against the Taliban and al-Qaeda that we ship them defective ammunition. Who’s responsible for this, shall we say, massive fuck up? Why, a private business, of course! Those entities run by Randian supermen who can do no wrong, the generators of wealth, the embodiments of the American spirit!  Finished gagging yet? Good. … Continue reading Brethren, Again We Gather to Worship the Free Market. Join the Chant: “Business Is More Efficient than Government…”

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Justice,Chimpy-Style

Oy. Can anyone think of a reason not to hold war crime trials in 2009? KABUL, Afghanistan — Abdul Razzaq Hekmati was regarded here as a war hero, famous for his resistance to the Russian occupation in the 1980s and later for a daring prison break he organized for three opponents of the Taliban government in 1999. But in 2003, Mr. Hekmati was arrested by American forces in southern Afghanistan when, senior Afghan officials here contend, he was falsely accused by his enemies of being a Taliban commander himself. For the next five years he was held at the American … Continue reading Justice,Chimpy-Style