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ORANGEBURG, S.C. — Newt Gingrich on Friday backed at least a portion of the Dream Act, saying that he would grant a path to citizenship to illegal immigrant youths who agree to sign up and serve in the U.S. military. That’s a much tighter standard than the full Dream Act, which President Obama wants. That legislation would allow legal status and an eventual path to citizenship for children and young adults who join the military, but would also apply to those who go to college — a much broader class of people. “I am opposed to anybody who came here illegally getting citizenship. That’s entirely wrong,” the GOP presidential candidate and former House speaker told a young man who asked about illegal immigrant students. “The only exception I would make is if young people, the ones you are dealing with, are willing to join the American military and serve the United States.” Speaking a day before South Carolina’s GOP primary, Mr. Gingrich said that would put them on par with any other foreign-born legal resident who joins the U.S. military, and who under the law has a path to citizenship. Mr. Gingrich’s stance puts him in between Mr. Obama and GOP rival Mitt Romney, who has said he would veto the Dream Act.
Remember the outrage on these boards when the Dems were pushing for passage of the DREAM Act?
1 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 9:33:23 PM byHoodat
I remember when you still had an account on Free Republic.
You’re really on an anti-Newt rampage tonight. Who are you supporting? Mitt or Santorum or Paul
2 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 9:34:47 PM byReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it’s the new black. Mmm mmm mmm…)
I’m supporting the kid from Winchester, VA.
6 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 9:38:58 PM byHoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
Newt lovers will disregard this just like global warming, lobbying freddie mac, the Newt leftist here on this board love him working goverment for 20 years then cashing in making 3-5 million a year, but romney can’t invest his own money open up a business and make a real honest living.Amazing group of leftist and hypocrites we now have here.
3 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 9:36:21 PM byGoMonster (GO)
You’re calling Jim a leftist?
5 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 9:38:04 PM byReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it’s the new black. Mmm mmm mmm…)
So is this what we have come to as conservatives?
Support a serial adulterer Support a person who supports replacing Obamacare (said there were a good 300 pages of Obamacare) Endorsed a government mandate in healthcare in 1994 & 1995, and beyond. In 2003, Newt talked about how the government has to take the lead in regulatory control of healthcare In 2005, he talks about redistribution of wealth to the poor to support healthcare His healthcare thinktank has taken in $30 million from insurance companies In 2011, Newt opposed Paul Ryans medicare reform. Said it was too much radical reform. Newt claimed FDR was the greatest president of the 20th century Support a person who made a global warming ad with Pelosi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuBd1atfhQ4 Supported Government subsidies for Ethanol to reduce GHG’s Said he believed carbon emissions are going up in the atmosphere Support a person who would have signed the dream act Support a person who goes after capitalism (Bain) Only speaker sanctioned with Ethics issues Forced to resign from the house (400 members, including 100 republicans voted him out) Made $1.5m from lobbying Freddie and Fannie Was critical of Bush’s anti-terror policies Opposed the surge in Iraq These are just a few things I am aware of. And they are not conspiracies, lies or things taken out of context. Almost all the items above, you can find a video of Newt saying them in his own words. To me, it seems like Newt is flipping and flopping as much as Romney.
66 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 11:37:28 PM bygswilder
Wow. gswilder tells it like it is. Let’s find out more about him!
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75 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 11:51:33 PM byJim Robinson(Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
Wow, we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to elect a real conservative and it looks like we’re getting another hold your nose election. My sentiments exactly. And with McNewt as the nominee, we may actually lose.
42 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 10:45:47 PM byHoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
Hoodat has been posting since 2004.
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LET THE PURGES COMMENCE ANEW!!
And I saw a video of him last night talking about replacing Obamacare with another similar plan.
You’re finally getting Newt. He is a technocrat. Full of “ideas” but they all involve tinkering with Gov’t. He doesn’t really have the vision to return power to the power notwithstanding his “soaring” rhetoric. Newt is unsteady and will disappoint. Guaranteed.
the Newt leftist here on this board love him working goverment for 20 years then cashing in making 3-5 million a year, but romney can’t invest his own money open up a business and make a real honest living.
As someone who has called Romney some pretty vile names I have to wonder why this very important fact can’t even be discussed here. It seems all discussion of Romney is verbotten (sp)–he’s the enemy, and any DISCUSSION of who he is beyond anti-Mormon stuff is out of the question. I seem to recall a website where everyone heaped praise on Sarah Palin for starting a business and meeting a payroll. I seem to recall a website where Obama was bashed relentlessly for living only in the world of academia and government/’community leadership.’ I seem to recall a website where we wanted Washington insiders out, and people who were actual businessmen were in, and where capitalism was championed–real capitalism, not government payouts, but where failing companies were reorganized and all the realities (some not so comfortable) that entailed. I keep looking for that website, where having money wasn’t a crime particularly when the rich were giving much of their money to charity (in Romney’s case, this includes many non-Mormon causes). That same site praised Sarah Palin for her devotion to her husband and kids through good times and bad. Not sure what happened to that site. I keep finding this other one, where a serial philanderer and do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do Big Government guy who took money from the hated Fannie Mae when he wasn’t in government or teaching (not that there’s anything wrong with either, but one needs more varied experience) is being toasted as a conservative icon.
44 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 10:49:56 PM byDarkwolf377 ( It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.–C.S. Lewis)
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I told you there wouldn’t be anybody left in the end except Jim Rob and his relatives, didn’t I?
Now, of course, Santorum has bubbled up from behind, and talks all that Gawd Talk.
Suddenly – the two bold red headers at the top of the index page are gone with the Cain Train.
I wonder if Jimbo is going to apologise to all the Santorum backers and reinstate their accounts?
More after the Higgs Boson…
I’m about all Newt-ered out, but I guess we can squeeze in one more now that all the bannings have subsided –America hates Newt? Unpossible!
America hates Newt Gingrich Wash Examiner ^| 1-20-12 | Conn Carroll Posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 8:26:19 PM bytcrlaf Unlike Mitt Romney, who occasionally beats President Obama in general election poll match ups, Newt Gingrich trails far behind President Obama in every survey. But just how bad are Gingrich’s unfavorable among the general public compared to Obama and Romney? Not every poll releases their full results, so here are the most recent favorability results I could find for Obama, Romney, and Newt. Fox News, 1/12-1/14: Obama, fav/unfav, 51%/46%, +5 Romney, fav/unfav, 45%/38%, +7 Gingrich, fav/unfav, 27%/56%, -29 CBS/NYT, 1/12-1/17: Obama, fav/unfav, 38%/45%, -7 Romney, fav/unfav, 21%/35%, -14 Gingrich, fav/unfav, 17%/49%, -32 PPP, 1/13-1/17: Obama, app/dis, 47%/50%, -3 Romney, fav/unfav, 35%/53%, -18 Gingrich, fav/unfav, 26%/60%, -34 America does not love Romney, but boy do they hate Newt.
Give Newt a little money, and the TV exposure that comes with WINNING South Carolina, and he can drive those negatives up, that millions have been spent driving down.
1 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 8:26:32 PM bytcrlaf
Hey Jim Rob! Ya missed one!
This more than anything else illustrates how Republicans are committing political suicide by nominating Newt Gingrich. These numbers show that roughly half of the voters will not vote for Newt. Let’s find a candidate who has much lower unfavorability numbers before it’s too late.
11 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 8:41:18 PM byHoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
HEY – I thought Jim Rob used the ban hammer on you!
(checks thread date and time)
“There are plenty of folks here who are stuck on some river in Egypt. “ I posted a half dozen videos from youtube the other night with NEWTS OWN WORDS right on camera for all to see…Guess what he was saying? I will give you a hint…They were not the words of a conservative. I want Mitt Romney beat and out of the race as much as I want Obama to be beaten in November. But to say that Newt is the CONSERVATIVE to do it is nonsense. The guy is NOT a conservative. He has changed ALOT over the past few years. Why in the hell did he endorse liberal republicans instead of the conservative choice? Why was his ass sitting on a couch with one of the most evil women in America in present day? Why? Why?
40 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 9:13:39 PM byCSI007
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OK – enough already. Let’s get behind someone all Freeperati can still agree to idolize.
Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 1:50:43 AM byJim Robinson
Tea Party or establishment. That’s the name of the game in the battle for the Republican presidential primary nomination.
But sometimes it’s hard to determine who’s who. Frontrunner Mitt Romney has never worked in Washington but has accumulated dozens of endorsements from Republican officialdom. Newt Gingrich was House speaker for four years, and has lived in Washington ever since his 1999 departure from Congress, but he’s running as the outsider who knows how to use his experience to crash the corrupt system and rebuild.
The expressions of support are an indicator where the divisions are lining up.
Sarah and Todd Palin have both said they’re Gingrich fans. While the former 2008 vice presidential candidate hasn’t expressly offered an endorsement, Sarah Palin has frequently worn the mantle of Tea Party spokeswoman.
On Saturday, businessman and one-time candidate Herman Cain jumped in at a Tea Party Express rally vowing his support for Gingrich — for now.
“I’m not against Mitt Romney if Mitt Romney gets the nomination, I’m gonna support him. But right now, I’m hoping Newt Gingrich gets the nomination and I’m going to work, and try to see to it that he gets the nomination,” Cain told Fox News.
On the flip side, Romney has pulled out former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, the speaker’s former Senate partner on Capitol Hill, to back him up against Gingrich. And on Sunday, Arizona Sen. John McCain explained why Mitt’s the man.
“I would say that we had some rather unpleasant experiences with Newt Gingrich and one of them was the government shut down in 1995,” said McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential candidate. “My problems with Newt has been over earmark spending, billions and billions and billions. When Newt Gingrich became speaker they turned earmarks into an art form.”
Newt failed against Clinton during the government shutdown because his ego drove him to play the PR angle wrong. The minute Gingrich proclaimed he was going to shut the government down he handed Clinton a sledgehammer Clinton and the media used to bludgeon Gingrich and the Republicans. The concept of shutting down the government frightened many Americans. The beneficiaries of the welfare state were concerned about missing a check. The media focused on government programs most Americans enjoy and perceive should not close such as the national parks. Gingrich wanted to show the people he was as powerful as the President so he proclaimed “he” (Newt) was shutting down the government even though it was the President’s veto actually shutting it down.
The right way to have played the PR game would have been to pass the budget cuts and take the high road by publicly stating he hoped the President would work with Congress to bring our budget under control by signing the bill. Had Clinton signed, and taken credit, the country would have benefited. If instead Clinton vetoed the bill Gingrich could have played the same hand Clinton played by going to the American people and telling them the President was playing with fire by shutting down the government. The public would have turned against Clinton and the Republicans could have quickly passed a slightly modified “compromise” bill which Clinton would have immediately signed to end the shutdown for which the President was being blamed. Victory to Newt but he wouldn’t have had the ego pleasing moments in front of the camera beating his chest.
Hopefully Newt has learned to be more subtle when playing hardball power politics in Washington.Sometimes to win the PR battle with the public you need to appear to be the good guy.
Especiallywhen you’reactually the bad guy. The public isso easy to fool…
Playing the good guy occasionally means taking the first punch not giving it.
Democrats play the PR game much more effectively than the Republicans because they are playing for the long term and understand the power of propaganda on the masses. Intelligent conservatives such as Newt overestimate the ability of the public to see through the Democrat spin. It is sad but well less than 50% of voters are paying attention or even understand the Constitution.They do understand what cutting off benefit checks or closing the Grand Canyon means.
Unfortunately for you. “Smaller government” always sounds so good in the abstact – until people realize that it means the disassembly of the things they rely on and really want for themselves and their children.
24 posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 5:07:51 AM bySoul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
Rick Santorum walked a fine line in his response to questions about Marianne Gingrich’s accusations against her ex-husband and Santorum’s GOP rival, Newt. “Personal matters are personal matters, but they are matters that are — particularly when you are in public life as he was at the time and the people involved were also in a sense in public life — those issues are issues that people will look at,” Santorum responded. “I believe in forgiveness, I’m called to believe in forgiveness,” he continued. “I do believe having some accountability to a higher calling other than self is a very, very important aspect and perspective that is important for leaders. “To make the final comment, these are issues of character and these are issues that people will consider based upon the time, when, where, how all those thing will factor in and I’ll let people make that decision, I’m certainly not going to make it for them,” he said to a crowd of about 150 people.
1 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 7:18:20 PM bychessplayer
I like Santorum; I think it took guts to say what he said because it’s not the popular line. The popular line is to overlook Gingrich’s past abuse of wives. It shows a lot of hypocrisy, though, on the part of the blow-hards who condemned Clinton for his womanizing but are willing to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to Gingrich’s sleazy activities.
5 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 7:26:58 PM bySaundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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“Blue nose”? What does that mean? Santorum is the son of Italian immigrants. His grandfather worked in the coal mines until he was in his 70s. Santorum is a graduate of Dickinson College and the University of Pittsburgh, not Ivy-League schools. He’s no spoiled rich kid from a privileged background. He won four of five elections in a state in which Democrats greatly outnumber Republicans. Gingrich won elections in safe Republican districts in Georgia. He only served four years as speaker before his own colleagues kicked him out. Many of them have now come forward publicly to say he lacks the discipline, temperament and managerial skills to be president. I don’t think they should be dismissed as quickly as some on this forum are willing to do.
With the Florida primary set for January 31, the Romney and Gingrich camps are competing to set the stage for the coming contest. With Mitt Romney opening up a wide lead in Florida — by up to 15 percentage points in the latest NBC/Marist poll — the two camps are trying to shape the narrative and explain what a likely Romney win in Florida really means.
The Romney camp is looking to capitalize on a win in the Sunshine State by framing the race as crucial to becoming the nominee. “I think it means perhaps even more than it did in 2008 because you’ve got a split between New Hampshire and South Carolina,” said Romney-surrogate Sen. John McCain onMeet the Press. “So, it’s a vital race here and I’m glad to see Mitt’s doing so well.”
There to speak for Gingrich was surrogate former Sen. Fred Thompson, who downplayed the importance of the Florida primary as his own candidate heads toward what looks to be a loss on Tuesday. To the Newt camp, the magnitude of Romney’s win in Florida should be compared to Gingrich’s 13-point win in South Carolina. “You know, in South Carolina Newt won practically every, every group there except those with higher incomes and those with advanced degrees,” said Thompson. Finally, he said, “If it’s a victory for Mitt, we’ll break it down and see what it means. But it’s probably about 10% of the delegates.”
This is the big takeaway from the Gingrich campaign: Florida isn’t symbolic or important; it’s about the delegate count. And in terms of adding up delegates, Newt won’t be far behind without Florida. Gingrich, making the rounds on the morning shows Sunday, made the same case.
“But the fact is, this race is going to go on. The conservatives clearly are rejecting Romney. He is nowhere near getting a majority. And the fact is, once you get beyond Florida, these are all proportional representation states, and he’s not going to be anywhere near a majority by April,” Gingrich explained to ABC’s Jake Tapper Sunday morning. “And so this is going to go on all the way to the convention.”
Florida’s 50 delegates are allocated on a winner-take-all basis and would make up about 5% of the delegates necessary to reach the magic number of 1144 by the time of the convention. But as has been noted, it’s very possible that the winner-take-all status will be contested; the fight for Florida’s delegates is not likely to end Tuesday.
After Tuesday, Romney will likely walk a way with a big win. But Gingrich is already defining the primary as a long battle to shore up a grassroots conservative base against “Mitt Romney’s liberalism” — setting expectations of a long battle for the soul of the party. Whether Gingrich will be able to fund that battle, and whether the party ranks firmly close around Romney, will be critical things to watch in the days after Florida.
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:15:57 PM bysodpoodle
CNN just announced Trump will endorse Romney.
Trump admires his hair
What a disappointment.
1 posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:16:01 PM bysodpoodle
I don’t think Trump’s endorsement means much.
4 posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:21:27 PM byumgud (No Rats, No Rino’s)
I don’t think Trump’s endorsement means much.
Last night, there was a thread that he was going to endorse Gingrich.
Much trumpeting on FR about how valuable it would be. What a difference a day makes, eh?
One comment, by a prescient FReeper was “Trump’s words have a short shelf life”. My guess? Regardless of who he endorsed, it will be forgotten by Monday.
The only thing that I dislike is that Trump will wait until a winner is obvious, then back him. That doesn’t bode well for Gingrich.
15 posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:34:38 PM bywbill
Back when combover boy was leading all the birth-certificate-obsessed around by the nose, I told ya again and again and again that he was no conservative, but a crony capitalist who would sell out conservatism in a “New York Minute”.
Told ya so, birthers.
59 posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:14:02 PM byNotary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
What the hell difference does any of this make. This republic was done for the minute Obama was sworn in – well- actually several decades ago but now it is too late to recover. So it makes no difference who the nominees are of either party. Too much corruption, too much debt, too far gone. If you don’t believe me, ask me again in 16 years – well make that 8 years since I’m 69 years old.
And yet, he’s the future of the GOP.
Hell – ask him again in 16 minutes, and he’ll have forgotten the question.
I have First Editions younger than him, and one is “Tom Swift And His Electric Runabout”.
Continue to fight the battle but the battle is already lost.
54 posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:52:37 PM byJukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
One can only hope.
I swear – I should have titled this week’s offering: