That Didn’t Take Long

Right on time. The crazy train is now boarding!

I know that aFacebook group is about as effective as a Jell-O bullet, but it’s still interesting to watch the nutjobs get riled up.

Impeach him for what? Getting seven-and-a-half million more votes than his opponent? 

You people got beat. Badly. I know it hurts, but that’s the way it is. The people rejected Republicans and conservatism. So we’re gonna do things our way for a while. 

And here’s a free electoral tip, slick: As long as you let the lunatics run the asylum, you’ll stay in the minority. If you want to be anything more than a rump party, you’ll let go of this stupid “culture war” shit. The old-school Republican “less government involvement in people’s lives” philosophy appeals to a lot of Americans. But to do that, you’ve gotta stop caring about who consenting adults fuck and who they marry. You’ve also gotta stop pushing a narrow interpretation of religion as your party’s bedrock principle.

Actually, don’t listen to me. Keep doing all that shit. Like I give a fuck if conservatives stay in the minority for all time.

17 thoughts on “That Didn’t Take Long

  1. You know A, the biggest diff between a liberal and a conservative? Out of a love for teaching and learning a liberal will tell a conservative exactly where to hit a liberal if, say, you wanted to knock one down.
    Still, well said. Personally I don’t expect the GOP to be fully intact in 2010. Perhaps a proper third party for the libertarians, or one for the deep social conservatives? Or the Greens?

  2. I am an odd duck in both camps: I’m an evangelical Christian and a socialist. I don’t see any conflict between those two points of view. What my foaming-at-the-mouth, politically speaking, Christian brothers and sisters don’t understand is that the country does not want to be condemned as hell-bound sinners by such obvious corrupt hypocrites as James Dobson, Pat Robertson, et. al. Anyone with a modicum of critical thinking can see the disconnect between honest religious belief and fascist political affiliations. Jesus himself never condemned the Roman government nor those whom religious Jews viewed as sinful outcasts; he reserved his condemnation for the self-righteous, hypocritical religious leaders of his day. Christianity cannot be imposed through legislation, judicial appointments or even executive order. It is a personal decision each person makes for himself or herself. Screaming hateful diatribes at those who choose not to believe–or live the way the Christian right demands they do–doesn’t do anything but further divide us. I vote Democratic because there isn’t a viable socialist alternative in the U.S., but I also believe that democratic socialism is the biblical model for human government. The right’s dream of a Christian theocracy is anathema to true evangelism. Christianity is not based on hatred and condemnation, but the political right has made that the public face of this religion. So for now on, I will argue for democracy, liberalism, socialism and Christianity.

  3. An angry co-worker is calling the new administration “Carter II” and I caught a similar reference in a comment section on a different blog. Any idea what this refers to, why they are using Carter’s administration as a panic-point? I want to know what he’s talking about if my co-worker ever corners me, and this hasn’t come up in any of my reference spots.

  4. the country does not want to be condemned as hell-bound sinners by such obvious corrupt hypocrites…
    Actually, just about anybody’ll get up in your face if you tell them they’re a hell-bound sinner. IME, the major problem with evangelicals of any stripe is the evangelism, not the religion. (Disclosure: When I was in high school, a family of evangelical Christians moved into the attendance district and converted the majority — like 90% — of the student body. Being that I was the resident crotchety atheist, they worked extra hard on me. I spent a lot of time going, “Believe in what’s obviously a con game for the purposes of social control? Uh, pshtyuh…”)
    That, too, is a “get government out of people’s lives” issue. The worldwide theocracy the Dominionists want to install isn’t very many people’s religion of choice at all. Given the kind of treatment I’ve had at the hands of fundamentalist Christians, I’d sooner take my chances with the Taliban. At least they practicehonest hatred, instead of this butter-mouthed fakey “love the sinner, hate the sin” crap. They’d also be more likely just to shoot me outright, and that might be preferable, I don’t know.

  5. Um, no offense intended Sandman, but this is NOT a Christian nation! Nor do I EVER wish it to be so – we all have the right to worship (or not) as we see fit for ourselves, there is no State Religion. If you want this to be a Christian Nation of American States – please move elsewhere. Otherwise keep your faith in your heart and out of our government.

  6. I think the real problem for the Republicans right now is that the two most powerful messages of the party are antithetical to each other. Keeping government out of our lives is impossible if you believe that government needs to outlaw certain kinds of behaviors.
    Until and unless the Republican Party can reconcile those ideas, they’ll have a hard time keeping their coalition together.
    And Elspeth, I didn’t get the sense that Sandman wants this to be a Christian nation at all. Frankly, I find his post rather refreshing, in that he seems to recognize the most rational approach to the relationship between Christianity and government is to go back to some of the foundational messages of Christianity: live your life as a righteous person, don’t hassle other people, help those who need it, and leave government to do its thing. I’m betting he’d agree wholeheartedly with the idea behind your last sentence, even if he didn’t appreciate the tone.
    Good on ya, Sandman. It’s nice to see an evangelical Christian who sees common ground with the liberal left.

  7. Elspeth: Not what I said or what I meant. No rational Christian would argue in favor of Christian theocracy. Those who demand legal imposition of Christian morality (actually, it’s Southern Baptist/Pentecostal morality) do more damage to the cause of evangelism than all the atheists in the world.
    Interrobang: As far as I’m concerned, as an American, you are free to believe (or not believe) in anything you wish. As a Christian, it’s my duty to treat you (and everyone else) with unconditional love and compassion. I sincerely regret any hurt you have experienced as a result of words and actions of religious people.
    BuggyQ: Thanks for the support. I’ve long argued that the cause of liberalism could be expanded for the good of all if certain liberals didn’t attack Americans who profess sincere religious faith as “insane” or “irrational.” I am neither. Liberalism is based on the freedom to believe as one wishes; it should never exclude Christians just because some Christians act like morons.
    One last thought: many southern and rural evangelicals are poorly educated and taught to dogmatically accept fundamentalist faith, nationalist patriotism and the evil of liberalism. They uncritically listen to Rush Limbaugh and Faux Spooge as sources of absolute truth. The GOP uses their dogmatic ignorance to its advantage. These folks are not capable of the type of critical self-awareness that would allow them to realize they’re getting screwed over in every direction by the party they so slavishly support. So let me add my voice to all these others: politically speaking, let these people wander in the wilderness until they come to their senses or otherwise disappear altogether.

  8. The people rejected Republicans and conservatism.
    Sane people realize this is true but the conservatives
    are trying to lay the blame on the GOP. As someone once
    said, conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed.

  9. sue, four reasons why someone might speculate that obama might be carter II:
    1) energy policy — carter had one, the republicans tossed it aside; obama’s got one, the republicans want to toss it aside
    2) foreign policy/middle east — carter’s efforts getting a peace plan between israel and its neighbors; obama actually intelligent and astute enough that he could very well get this done with one hand tied behind his back
    3) carter and obama are both non-hysterical, competent people
    4) the person so speculating is a twat — i think it’s ridiculous to speculate about what our new president might be — let’s see what he is

  10. Is it worth it trying to bring a little sanity to these guys on the right? Just for example, I hear news of people buying guns before the Democratic majority bans them. Where do they get this information? People in Vermont, they’ve got guns. People in Massachusetts, they’ve got guns, too (to quote a local, our liberal Cambridge-abutting town is “well-armed”). If these two lefty New England states let their citizens own guns, don’t you think that sets a bound on what will be tried nationally?
    And New York, too — you don’t wear blaze orange in the woods out of a warped sense of fashion — you wear it (in hunting season) because there’s hunters, with guns, in New York state.
    Or are they just that gullible and scared?

  11. Sandman, your “biblical model” term in relation to democratic socialism and that you will argue for Christianity, came across to me that you were more fervent about blending Christianity and our goverment than just supporting a return to democracy and a more beneficial socialistic model. That and I was responding from work maybe I read it too fast? For the record, there were morals and kindnesses and community spirit long before Christianity, y’all don’t have a corner on the market. All faiths have positives and negatives and if are to survive, flex and grow with the years and believers. My Atheist friends are some of THE most moral folks I know – so it’s not even a faith issue at all to want to be a neighbor and help folks out.
    Yeah, I am touchy as all get out when the C-word or any “mainstream” faith that’s “accepted” is blended with government or even seated next to it at a function. As a Pagan and in particular, a Witch, (y’know, someone who so many conservatards would hate and possibly harm if they knew my faith/spiritual path) that someone of Palin’s extremism was allowed to be anywhere near a presidential campaign spouting her one true faith and psycho supporters – it sure as shootin’ makes me recoil when “biblical” and someone wants to argue FOR Christianity… Why argue ‘for’ it? It’s your faith, it’s your belief, that’s cool – but it’s not everyone’s.
    Sandman, if I have grossly misunderstood your initial comment, I heartily apologize. And Buggy Q, my original response was in no way meant to have an antogistic tone – just matter of fact “please don’t push for a christian govt model” as this country was founded on freedom to worship as we please. If someone doesn’t like the tone of what is typed, PLEASE ASK FOR CLARIFICATION before assuming the negative.
    Listen, we are on the threshold of a new era – the end of the dark Bush/Cheney years are nigh – emotions are strong and this feeling of hope and (gasp) forward thinking – it’s a helluva mental and emotional shift, I admit it – I am jumpy, see I can say it. Let’s move on, I understand your view more. Thanks – let’s get going to the Obama years. 🙂

  12. Thanks, Elspeth. I really didn’t mean my comment as a slap to you–more as a conciliatory, peace-out kinda thing for Sandman. I hope you know I value your opinions highly.
    I’ve been very intrigued by the nascent movement in the evangelical Christian world towards more focus on social justice and environmental issues, rather than the “let me shove my morals down your throat” approach. Believe me, I’m probably as sensitive about the fundies (by which I mean the throat-shovers) as you–as an agnostic-verging-on-atheist, I live far too close to Dobson’s Focus on the Family headquarters to breathe easily. But that’s also why when I see an evangelican Christian like Sandman who seems to be running against the Dobson tide, I’d like to encourage them.
    And as someone who struggles with the idea of “faith,” I like seeing different perspectives on the idea, whether they be from the Christian side of the fence or otherwise. Part of the reason I haven’t latched on to any one faith is that while I appreciate the fundamental messages of most of them (basic Golden Rule ideas, for example), there seems to be a universal problem in many of them of putting those ideas into practice on a day-to-day basis. I have a greater problem with the fundies than most simply because of the rampant hypocrisy in that movement. If they really practiced what they preach, we’d all be a lot better off.

  13. A little off the main subject, but look at the picture. It is hard to imagine the trains being badly heated. The engineer is wearing a jacket, heavy overalls, a sweater or jacket like the conductor and a heavy shirt. Most likely, he is also wearing long underwear and an undershirt. The engineer is probably not fat, but just wearing so many layers that he looks fat.

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