Good morning, gentle people! Well, hardly had the dust died down from the frantic self-back-patting the Freeperati had been doing since the midterms when something very interesting happened.
US TO START TALKS WITH CUBA TO NORMALIZE FULL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS
Fox News ^ | 2014-12-17 | Associated Press (AP)
Posted on 12/17/2014 9:00:18 AM by WhiskeyX
Now I read John Cole most days, and I have to disagree with him 0n his analysis:
In the defense of Republicans, there used to be a train of thought that the way to liberate the world was through trade and travel, but that notion on the right is as dead as Dick Cheney’s dark heart after 70 years of eating cheesy Freedom Fries
Actually, that’s as wrong as it can be.
Don’t believe me? Check out the replies on this thread. There’s currently a uncivil war going on at Free Republic, with the “trade and travel” contingent (in alliance with the glibertarian contingent) fighting the Cold Warriors in a no-holds-barred death cage match.
First – the old guard:
It’s about time. I am certainly no fan of Obama but there are two things I expected him to do and am amazed he hasn’t done. The first was to end the pointless and self-destructive War on Drugs. The second was to end the cruel and pointless embargo on Cuba. This isn’t the 1960’s anymore and the Castros are dying. If we can have normal relations with China, Burma and Vietnam we can certainly have them with Cuba.
To: dfwgatorCastro needs the embargo, and he will make the conditions so unreasonable that the US will never agree to them.We may see another outrage like happened the past few times this idea was floated. But I suspect not this time. And I have always wanted to visit Cuba. Why should the US government make me jump through absurd hoops to do it? Who are they to tell me where I can and cannot go?
To: dfwgatorThere’s a little matter of all of that US-owned property Castro stole.Not to mention the property stolen from Cuban exiles. So this will be messy, no doubt. But it’s time to end the isolation.
One of them even gets all snarky with it:
The embargo against Cuba hasn’t done anything but depress the Cuban economy and make Cuban cigars unobtainable. It hasn’t worked for fifty years, and it is time to try something new. Obama finally got one right.
Cynically, despite my agreement with Obama on this matter, I suspect that it takes Florida out-of-play for the Demoncrats in 2016.
My wife is from there, you’re not missing much.
Obama has already admitted “we” have been wrong all these years . . .
He has just created another ‘strategic diversion’ as he pursues the overall “change” he promised before ‘amerikanz’ voted him into his current role as ‘pen&phone operator’ . . .
(there will be no elections in 2016, btw . . .)
To: LazamatazWell, ever since the Election, OTrauma has gone full-on Communist.He has nothing left to lose. That’s when people are the most dangerous………………..
Cuban-Americans send billions in cash and goods every year to their relatives on the island, every dollar of which indirectly keeps the regime on life support. While I can understand their personal motivations in doing so, for them to at the same time be in favor of the embargo is completely hypocritical.
Against! Unless and until Cuba’s Communists release ALL political prisoners, no relations. We couldn’t do this with Russia or China, they’re too big to ignore and pressure like this, but we have done so quite well with Cuba. No reason to stop, other than the COTUS being nice to his fellows commie rat bastards.
To: sheanaThe country is full of vacationers from Europe and CanadaAnd from South America. I visit Brazil and Argentina on business and frequently hear people talking about going to Cuba on vacation.Their cigars are on sale in virtually EVERY duty-free shop around the world.It’s time Cuba got a big does of American-style consumerism. We need new places for the cruise ships to go.
Castros are not dead yet and they have lined thousands up in front of ditches and mowed them and it is still being done if you open your month and say the wrong thing. THis is just more of Obama’s cozing up to dictators. The marxist,leftist bastard.
To: WhiskeyXGot to wonder how many levels of treason this POS POTUS can commit in 8 years.More and more, I am guessing hat this despot is planning somehow to extend his dictatorship under the guise of an national emergency.Khrushchev is laughing his ass off in hell right now.
I have yet to see a good explanation for why having diplomatic relations with China (and by the late 80’s, free trade agreements) is perfectly acceptable while doing the same with Cuba is unacceptable. Nor do I see why if such agreements and relations lead China in the direction of capitalism why they wouldn’t do the same for Cuba.
Cuba represents a threat to the US? How exactly? Its a crumbling regime run by a dying despot. Communism is dying, and Cuba is one of the final holdouts.
China is technically communist too. Pick up a random object in your house. Look and see where it was made.
And if you think we’re going to win the war on drugs, then i’d like a little of what you’re smoking (pun intended 🙂 )
To: dfwgatorCastro needs the embargo, and he will make the conditions so unreasonable that the US will never agree to them.The embargo is pretty much a joke since we’re the only ones who enforce it. Cuba gets tourists and trade from most of the rest of the world.
To: Olog-haiRed China is still Red ChinaAnother red herring, high on rhetoric, low on facts. It’s true that China remains brutal and authoritarian, but it is “Communist” in party name only. Under Mao, there were no privately owned businesses of any kind, not even mom and pop shops. Today, China’s private sector accounts for far more of its GDP than its public sector. And when it comes to social services, China is probably more capitalist than we are: if you’re sick in China and can’t pay up front, guess what? You’re not going to the hospital. More people get government subsidized welfare and health care in the US (and certainly in Europe) than in “Red” China.