Today on Tommy T’s Obsession with the Freeperati – Cuban Peat edition

Good morning, gentle people! Well, hardly had the dust died down from the frantic self-back-patting the Freeperati had been doing since the midterms when something very interesting happened.

US TO START TALKS WITH CUBA TO NORMALIZE FULL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS
Fox News ^ | 2014-12-17 | Associated Press (AP)

Posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎00‎:‎18‎ ‎AM by WhiskeyX

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1 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎00‎:‎18‎ ‎AM by WhiskeyX

Now I read John Cole most days, and I have to disagree with him 0n his analysis:

In the defense of Republicans, there used to be a train of thought that the way to liberate the world was through trade and travel, but that notion on the right is as dead as Dick Cheney’s dark heart after 70 years of eating cheesy Freedom Fries

Actually, that’s as wrong as it can be.

Don’t believe me? Check out the replies on this thread. There’s currently a uncivil war going on at Free Republic, with the “trade and travel” contingent (in alliance with the glibertarian contingent) fighting the Cold Warriors in a no-holds-barred death cage match.

First – the old guard:

To: WhiskeyX

Another example of him cozying with his commie pals.

GOP equals AWOL again.

2 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎02‎:‎05‎ ‎AM by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)

To: WhiskeyX

Well, ever since the Election, OTrauma has gone full-on Communist.

6 posted on  12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎0 6‎:‎47‎ ‎AM by Lazamataz (“Two parties, governing AGAINST the will of the people, not with the consent of the governed.” –MrB)

To: jalisco555
At this point, if Obama is for it, I am against it.

duh

 

He’s been consistently anti-American.

9 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎07‎:‎44‎ ‎AM by Lazamataz (“Two parties, governing AGAINST the will of the people, not with the consent of the governed.” –MrB)

But then….

To: WhiskeyX

It’s about time. I am certainly no fan of Obama but there are two things I expected him to do and am amazed he hasn’t done. The first was to end the pointless and self-destructive War on Drugs. The second was to end the cruel and pointless embargo on Cuba. This isn’t the 1960’s anymore and the Castros are dying. If we can have normal relations with China, Burma and Vietnam we can certainly have them with Cuba.

4 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎06‎:‎11‎ ‎AM by jalisco555 (“My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy” – Ronald Reagan)

To: dfwgator
Castro needs the embargo, and he will make the conditions so unreasonable that the US will never agree to them.
We may see another outrage like happened the past few times this idea was floated. But I suspect not this time. And I have always wanted to visit Cuba. Why should the US government make me jump through absurd hoops to do it? Who are they to tell me where I can and cannot go?
12 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎09‎:‎56‎ ‎AM by jalisco555 (“My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy” – Ronald Reagan)
To: jalisco555

I totally agree. Once people in communist countries are exposed to the “rest of the world” it doesn’t take long for the regime to fail or at the very least make major reforms.

20 posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎17‎:‎53‎ ‎AM by Minsc

To: WhiskeyX

It’s mostly a cuban-American issue and while I can understand their hatred of Castro it’s way, way past time that the embargo was ended.

24 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎19‎:‎41‎ ‎AM by bkepley

To: dfwgator
There’s a little matter of all of that US-owned property Castro stole.
Not to mention the property stolen from Cuban exiles. So this will be messy, no doubt. But it’s time to end the isolation.
26 posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎21‎:‎43‎ ‎AM by jalisco555 (“My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy” – Ronald Reagan)

One of them even gets all snarky with it:

To: WhiskeyX

The Embargo against Cuba has worked for more than 50 years and with a little more effort and a little more time, the Embargo will certainly inspire the Cuban people to depose Castro.

29 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎24‎:‎35‎ ‎AM by Oliviaforever

Heh.
To: jalisco555

The embargo against Cuba hasn’t done anything but depress the Cuban economy and make Cuban cigars unobtainable. It hasn’t worked for fifty years, and it is time to try something new. Obama finally got one right.

Cynically, despite my agreement with Obama on this matter, I suspect that it takes Florida out-of-play for the Demoncrats in 2016.

33 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎30‎:‎39‎ ‎AM by bagman

The Old Guard isn’t going to take this commie-coddling lying down, of course:
To: Batman11

Ted Cruz’s father, Rafeal(sic), should immediately take the opportunity to educate POTUS publicly on Fox or elsewhere.

38 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎38‎:‎10‎ ‎AM by gwgn02

God doesn’t love me that much.
At this point, Cruz is probably spiking the old fart’s Metamucil with roofies, and/or having his goons make sure Dad doesn’t get within 50 miles of a reporter. After the public shutdown/nomination-enabling and consequent slut-shaming by his peers, Old Ted’s probably going to want to run this one through a couple of focus groups before he opens his yap again.
To: WhiskeyX

What? Obama foreign policies make no sense.

47 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎59‎:‎17‎ ‎AM by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light….. Isaiah 5:20)

To: manc

Obama has another DISTRACTION ,BLAH BLAH BLAH

57 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎05‎:‎40‎ ‎AM by molson209 (Blank)

Well, it seems to have driven Freeperville to distraction.  400 comments as of Saturday morning and still climbing.
Before the jump, the comment of the thread!
To: jalisco555

My wife is from there, you’re not missing much.

13 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎10‎:‎53‎ ‎AM by dfwgator

Oh no you didnt
“dfwgator” sleeps on the couch tonight, and much more after the jump.

Let the games continue!
To: dfwgator

Obama has already admitted “we” have been wrong all these years . . .
He has just created another ‘strategic diversion’ as he pursues the overall “change” he promised before ‘amerikanz’ voted him into his current role as ‘pen&phone operator’ . . .
(there will be no elections in 2016, btw . . .)

60 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎08‎:‎28‎ ‎AM by cuspofcommonsense

TextFromHillaryFuckYourself
To: Lazamataz
Well, ever since the Election, OTrauma has gone full-on Communist.
He has nothing left to lose. That’s when people are the most dangerous………………..
53 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎02‎:‎46‎ ‎AM by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil……………………..)
Stop me before I normalize again!
But the realists aren’t done yet…
To: bkepley

Cuban-Americans send billions in cash and goods every year to their relatives on the island, every dollar of which indirectly keeps the regime on life support. While I can understand their personal motivations in doing so, for them to at the same time be in favor of the embargo is completely hypocritical.

54 posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎03‎:‎26‎ ‎AM by Eric Pode of Croydon

To: WhiskeyX

Against! Unless and until Cuba’s Communists release ALL political prisoners, no relations. We couldn’t do this with Russia or China, they’re too big to ignore and pressure like this, but we have done so quite well with Cuba. No reason to stop, other than the COTUS being nice to his fellows commie rat bastards.

64 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎11‎:‎29‎ ‎AM by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” A. E. van Vogt)

To: sheana
The country is full of vacationers from Europe and Canada
And from South America. I visit Brazil and Argentina on business and frequently hear people talking about going to Cuba on vacation.Their cigars are on sale in virtually EVERY duty-free shop around the world.It’s time Cuba got a big does of American-style consumerism. We need new places for the cruise ships to go.
67 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎17‎:‎23‎ ‎AM by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
Some Freeperati attempt to make lemonade:

To: WhiskeyX

good news! this will piss off the cuban community in Florida and help the GOP in 2016 🙂

70 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎19‎:‎20‎ ‎AM by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)

To: jalisco555

Castros are not dead yet and they have lined thousands up in front of ditches and mowed them and it is still being done if you open your month and say the wrong thing. THis is just more of Obama’s cozing up to dictators. The marxist,leftist bastard.

83 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎30‎:‎45‎ ‎AM by NKP_Vet

The Old Guard search for a reason for all this dissension:
To: jalisco555

Hard to believe how many liberals post here.

84 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎32‎:‎12‎ ‎AM by ifinnegan

To: ifinnegan

Hard to believe how many liberals post here.

White House staffers are at it again

85 posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎33‎:‎42‎ ‎AM by molson209 (Blank)

To: WhiskeyX

Notice the timing again, AFTER the election.

101 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎00‎:‎50‎ ‎AM by Steve_Seattle

Notice that the comments on this thread are running around 30% Old Guard, and 70% “Trade And Travel”?  I have.
To: jalisco555

Normalized relations with communist countries have turned us into the mess we are today. Got any more pro-communist sentiments to share?

124 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎19‎:‎44‎ ‎AM by Olog-hai

To: WhiskeyX
Got to wonder how many levels of treason this POS POTUS can commit in 8 years.More and more, I am guessing hat this despot is planning somehow to extend his dictatorship under the guise of an national emergency.Khrushchev is laughing his ass off in hell right now.
138 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎25‎:‎43‎ ‎AM by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
Now that’s a weird mental picture.  Even if there was a Hell, there wouldn’t be anyone in it who’s laughing.
To: ifinnegan

I have yet to see a good explanation for why having diplomatic relations with China (and by the late 80’s, free trade agreements) is perfectly acceptable while doing the same with Cuba is unacceptable. Nor do I see why if such agreements and relations lead China in the direction of capitalism why they wouldn’t do the same for Cuba.

95 posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎52‎:‎12‎ ‎AM by ek_hornbeck

To: re_nortex

Cuba represents a threat to the US? How exactly? Its a crumbling regime run by a dying despot. Communism is dying, and Cuba is one of the final holdouts.

China is technically communist too. Pick up a random object in your house. Look and see where it was made.

And if you think we’re going to win the war on drugs, then i’d like a little of what you’re smoking (pun intended 🙂 )

123 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎19‎:‎15‎ ‎AM by bigdaddy45

To: dfwgator
Castro needs the embargo, and he will make the conditions so unreasonable that the US will never agree to them.
The embargo is pretty much a joke since we’re the only ones who enforce it. Cuba gets tourists and trade from most of the rest of the world.
128 posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎21‎:‎42‎ ‎AM by DoodleDawg
To: Olog-hai
Red China is still Red China
Another red herring, high on rhetoric, low on facts. It’s true that China remains brutal and authoritarian, but it is “Communist” in party name only. Under Mao, there were no privately owned businesses of any kind, not even mom and pop shops. Today, China’s private sector accounts for far more of its GDP than its public sector. And when it comes to social services, China is probably more capitalist than we are: if you’re sick in China and can’t pay up front, guess what? You’re not going to the hospital. More people get government subsidized welfare and health care in the US (and certainly in Europe) than in “Red” China.
136 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎25‎:‎29‎ ‎AM by ek_hornbeck
To: catfish1957

So was Nixon treasonous for reaching out to China?

Obama will be gone in January 2017, all paranoid fantasies aside.

142 posted on 12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎27‎:‎35‎ ‎AM by bigdaddy45

And just when you thought that things couldn’t get any more fractious in Freeperville:
To: Logical me

Wow, just in time for the Jimrob to endorse Romney thread that just popped up.

149 posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎35‎:‎32‎ ‎AM by RummyChick

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See you all next Monday!
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2 thoughts on “Today on Tommy T’s Obsession with the Freeperati – Cuban Peat edition

  1. maplestreet says:

    And amazing how the same ones that one a Cuba embargo claim that an embargo over the handling of the Ukraine won’t do anything. And this on top of a level that the conservative love of Putin has changed from manly man-boobs to really having some economic problems.

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